I am going to start straight out and say that California and Oregon have not counted the costs of making such a drastic move as secession.

There has not been enough time to do so, and discernment says secession would not be the wisest of moves given their level of financial debt right now, especially California’s [California] [Oregon].

Financially they are setting themselves up for a major problem on so many levels.

Legally, the very heart of our 14th Amendment makes it treasonous never mind illegal to do so.

If they keep pursuing their attempt to secede, there are other consequences besides financial, all of which have not gone very well at all levels in the past.

This post is from something John Kunkle shared on my business facebook account  – it is republished here with his blessings, and he is concerned as he lives in California…

John brings up some very interesting history in the form of the results of the last attempt for seceding as well as some words of warning to California politicians — or any other state contemplating such as drastic and costly action as Oregon this past weekend also threw their hat into the ring…

Solving a problem created by debt… by creating more debt is a fool’s errand — Oliver Sarkozy


In 1861 the Southern states attempted to secede from the Union.

There was a 4 year civil war that resulted in 10% of the nation as casualties of that war.

After the war, the southern states were held in ten military districts for 10 years — just like Germany and Japan after WW2.

Many people in those states lost their money, their property, and their lives.

And they lost their right to secede.

The resentment from that period lasted 100 years and resulted in the KKK and Jim Crow laws.

During that time, the 14th Amendment was passed making all Americans citizens of the US Federal Government.

Prior to that, people were citizens of their states.

In short, as 14th Amendment citizens, Californians don’t have the right to secede and will end up as the southern states did after the civil war.

Try and secede and you will end up occupied by US troops.

Many people will be hurt or killed.

Many people involved as partisans in the movement will lose their freedom and their property.

The economy of the state will be in shambles as all businesses with the exception of agriculture will most likely leave the state.

High tech businesses are not brick and mortar and can function any where and they will despite their owners voicing support for the movement.

As a result of all this violence, expect greater supervision from the federal government in all those areas where the protests are taking place.

This is not the way to go about achieving your goals.

You will not like the end result of this.

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2 thoughts on “Here’s What Happened the Last Time Secession Was Attempted

  • But maybe the Congress should allow it so that U.S. taxpayers are not burdened with the debts of the seceding states. The situation is the opposite from the Civil War in this respect. In that war, Lincoln and the federal government were forced to fight to retain the union because the dominant revenue to support the federal government resulted from agricultural products exported by the seceding Southern States. The feds needed the south. In the hypothetical question of California seceding, the feds do not need California’s massive debt and unfunded liabilities.

    • Point taken, now what about the liberties of those outside of LA? SF? SD? Once outside the larger populated areas, I am under the impression most of the population is conservative, is it not? I believe the 14th Amendment protects all the citizens from being caught in such a predicament if that is the case. If most of the state is Democrat and they vote to do so, then give them a year to get out of the state, with CA paying the bill. CA gets what they want, at a price, and those not wanting to succeed get a chance to save what they have — CA politicians are the proponents of equality, then hold them accountable about everything they do. From what I understand, this is all being driven by a very small minority and really isn’t getting anywhere – so hopefully this is a bridge that won’t have to be crossed.

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